“The Chosen,” then Bible Universe/Mythologies

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:4)

The deception of The Chosen may just be the beginning. There’s the Marvel Universe, of course. But are we going to see a “Bible Universe,” with spectacular special effects and clever not-quite-biblical fables? The Chosen Inc., has hired Mark Sourian, former Dreamworks executive, as President of Production for an upcoming season of the show.

Where could this potentially lead?

According to Mark Sourian:

When you look at the Bible, not to sound crude, but it is a universe — not to describe it as the Marvel universe or the DC universe. But it is a universe with iconic figures and characters, and I include the Old Testament and the New Testament. There is a desire to tell a lot of different biblical stories, all of which are primal stories that have been told in one fashion or another, but have never been told specifically as they relate directly to the Bible.[1]

Sourian also told web entertainment site Deadline:

…there’s a sense of an ever-increasing bandwidth for us to tell other stories that are about the Bible…So, I think my role and my title suggests a bigger universe and suggests the desire of The Chosen Inc. to delve into more of that.[2]

Christians seem hungry for biblical entertainment.[3] The entertainment industry is hungry for Christian entertainment dollars. The Chosen series has misled numerous (and not just new or young) Christians. Where would a Hollywood version “Bible Universe” take many of us?

Far away, far away from the Bible. And please, no email about how screen interpretations of Bible stories and characters would help Christians. The Chosen has not helped the Body of Christ, has not honored the Lord, and neither will a “Bible Universe.”

For the Deadline article go Here…

Source Notes:

1. ‘The Chosen’ Sets Former Dreamworks Exec Mark Sourian As President of Production, Will Serve As Foundation for Bible-Based Universe, Deadline article 3/28/23

2. ‘The Chosen’ Sets Former Dreamworks Exec Mark Sourian As President of Production, Will Serve As Foundation for Bible-Based Universe, Deadline article 3/28/23

3. …biblical entertainment is a horrible phrase!

HT: Marsha West

Jonathan Roumie prayed with deceased Lonnie Frisbee and asked him for a sign?

When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. (Isaiah 8:19-20)

The Lord tells us that whoever “calls up the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

Jonathan Roumie plays Jesus in The Chosen series and also portrays Lonnie Frisbee in the movie, Jesus Revolution.

In a recent interview about Jesus Revolution, Roumie spoke about his visit to Lonnie Frisbee’s grave. I omitted the interviewer’s brief comments. Start at 9:21 in video:

So before I started work I went over to Christ Cathedral, and I sat by his grave and I prayed a Rosary with him. … In fact, I sat down and I prayed with him. The space just to his right is empty, so I got to sit down. At one point I even lied down because I just thought it would be kind of interesting to try and connect in some way. That’s probably more information than you need or maybe want to publish but that said, you know, it’s the truth. And so I finished praying with him and I said, “Lonnie, I want to honor you with this film, and I really want to bring justice and you know the testament to the gifts of God’s grace and powers that you displayed while you were on this earth. And so, if this is a good idea that I do this film, have somebody give me a sign. Give me a sign, have God give me a sign. And the minutes the words left my mouth behind me there was a door open to the Cathedral and this giant chord rang out for about five seconds and then…from the organ. I hadn’t heard it before…So, I heard that and I was like, OK, thanks for that.

It is never the dead who speak back to us. It is either our imagination, or lying spirits. Those of you who watch The Chosen should consider what the God of the Bible has to say about Jonathan Roumie’s biblically forbidden experience.

Are you getting your theology from The Chosen? Do you see Roumie’s face when you think of Jesus?

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1)…

End Note:

Please send this to any you know who are enamored with The Chosen.

The meaning of this term

What is meant by the term anti-biblical meditative practices? This refers to Eastern and New Age meditation and also to contemplative prayer, which is essentially the same as New Age/Eastern meditation only disguised with “Christianese” terminology.

In true biblical meditation, the mind remains active. We ponder, we consider, and think about the Scripture we have read. This can be a wonderful and profound time with the holy God.

This is not so with Eastern/New Age/contemplative. Here the object is to stop active thought, often by repeating a word or phrase over and over. When thought is stilled, the person enters what is known as the silence, and it is here that incredible spiritual deception can occur. This can affect and even determine one’s theology, a frightening thing considering all the “Christian contemplative” activity in churches these days.

Will contemplative prayer unite world’s religions?

In the spiritual climate of today, a unifying mystical prayer practice fits the paradigm necessary to unite the various world religions–the contemplative prayer movement is such a practice! I believe the movement is taking many on a downward spiral that could lead to the great apostasy. For this to happen, as the Bible says, there will be “seducing spirits” who design a spirituality nearly indistinguishable from the truth. Every Christian must therefore discern whether or not the contemplative prayer movement is a deeper way of walking with God or a deception that undermines the very Gospel itself.

Ray Yungen, A Time of Departing, p.184

SIGNS OF DECEPTION

Rick Becker writes:

How does someone know if they’re deceived, or if they’re in a church that’s been deceived and deceiving their members? We know that the only answer is for the Holy Spirit to remove the scales of deception from their eyes. Then, through studying the scriptures and by the illumination of God’s word, they’re able to identify false teachings and practices. In many cases, the solution for the deceived individual is salvation. They are false converts who have been seduced by a false gospel – they need to be born again to grasp spiritual truths (1 Corinthians 2:14). This is precisely why so many warnings concerning false teachers and their false teachings fall on deaf ears. In other cases, despite their biblical ignorance in areas and need for sound doctrine, people need to be convicted of their sin – because inevitably you’ll find that their motives for believing what is false, are impure. In this post, I offer seven signs of deception – ways to identify deception. …continue reading article…

Contrary to the doctrine you learned

Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. (Romans 16:17)

How does your church do in terms of this verse?

False teachers and teachings are flooding the visible church. We must know the Word–but it is often necessary to examine false teachings closely.

Some of the things that are infecting the visible church are The Chosen, Bible Project, 12 Step spirituality, and the Enneagram. Christians must understand the deceptive, anti-biblical meditation known as contemplative prayer. And those in Pentecostal denominations may already have encountered Bill Johnson and the New Apostolic Reformation.

Please be aware. And beware.

Be a Berean:

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)

Altered States of Consciousness in Bible, believes Bible Project’s Tim Mackie

Altered State of Consciousness: A meditative or drug-induced non-ordinary state of mind. In a religious context, a state where the seeker is drawn out of his normal thinking processes into “self-realization” or contact with what he considers the divine or divine wisdom.[1]

Tim Mackie is a pastor and co-founder of the highly influential Bible Project. You may not have heard of Mackie and Bible Project, but your kids or grandkids certainly have. Bible Project has over two million subscribers around the globe–its reach is long. This organization has produced numerous videos on biblical subjects, some of them quite good, and it is very possible your own church is using or has used them. Bible Project’s Tim Mackie has become an advocate of the deceptive and anti-biblical meditation known as contemplative prayer. This article is an attempt to warn the Body of Christ.

According to Christine A. Narloch:

Contemplative [p]rayer is not Biblical prayer at all, rather it is a type of mystical meditation leading the mind into an altered state of consciousness. It goes beyond thought, providing an experiential union with so-called God or with nature producing body sensations, feelings, images, and reflections. [2]

Contemplative prayer can addle and alter one’s theology. That being said, let’s examine the meaning Mackie is reading into a number of biblical passages from two of his sermons and see what conclusions we can draw. Let’s start with Ezekiel 8:1:

And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. (Ezekiel 8:1)

Mackie’s interpretation:

…as he’s sitting there, the Hand of Lord Yahweh comes upon him, which I’m pretty sure what he means is that his consciousness was altered in a very significant way because all of a sudden he’s looking and he’s seeing like what John saw in the heavenly temple and the one that Jacob saw in that field. It’s a human figure and they’re on fire yeah, exactly what John saw. [3] (emphasis added)

Is Ezekiel really referring to an altered state of consciousness?

Mackie makes the same claim about John in the book of Revelation.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Rev 1:10)

According to Mackie:

Notice that when John talks about being “in the Spirit,” what he’s referring to is some mode of consciousness, some state of consciousness where all of a sudden John, on the Greek island of Patmos, could be with the cosmic risen Jesus, traversing the universe in the heavenly temple, while also being on the Greek island of Patmos. (Rev 1:10) [4] (emphasis added)

Mackie also makes this assertion concerning Jacob’s experience in Gen 28:10-18:

So isn’t it interesting that here’s Jacob in some place between Beersheba and Haran and he goes to sleep, notice the altered mode of consciousness is the key here, he goes to sleep and then he has a dream, and in that dream he sees like he’s in a place where heaven and earth are the same place.they’re connected through a bridge and what he sees is the same thing that John saw a human figure that he calls Yahweh, and what Yahweh says is I am with you. [5] (emphasis added)

Mackie goes so far as to claim:

Do you see how fundamentally different Jesus and the biblical authors saw reality than most of us do? And notice that the common denominator in all of these experiences is about people’s states of consciousness. Isn’t that interesting? [6] (emphasis added)

…we actually believe altered states of consciousness are when we’re most deluded about reality and Jesus and the apostles and prophets they…actually believe that it’s precisely when we are in heightened, altered states of consciousness and particularly when we are in vulnerable states of consciousness that we are most in touch with reality as it really is. Once again, I’m not, this isn’t just rhetoric, like this is how things are. [7] (emphasis added)

Mackie states:

Now maybe not in this room, but I know that many in especially Western Protestant conservative environments when you start talking this this way, people get twitchy. And when you start talking about elevated levels of consciousness and experiencing the mystical presence of God, first of all let me respond in as non-snarky a way as I can. For someone’s who’s like, this sounds like Eastern mysticism or something like that, let us just remember, where did the Jesus Movement originate? It originated in the East. And I really don’t think Jesus was just reciting Bible verses all night long like on the mountain. I’m sure that He was reciting whole psalms and that those psalms were sending His consciousness traversing the universe with His Father in prayer.[8] (emphasis added)

Mackie clearly believes our consciousness can be altered to experience reality as it (supposedly) truly is, whether this happens via sleep or dreams or the contemplative prayer practice taught by the now deceased Trappist monk, Father Thomas Keating. Mackie states he “learned a lot about prayer” from this contemplative priest.[9]

Contemplative prayer is essentially the same thing as Eastern or New Age meditation, but is masked with Christian terms and phrases. The goal in contemplative prayer is to stop the thinking process and enter into what is known as the silence. This is accomplished by repeating a word or a phrase over and over (or focusing on the breath) until the word loses its meaning and the mind becomes void.

In this silence many wonderful deceptions can occur. How sweetly and thoroughly can the unclean spirits work in this void! Beware. The contemplative advocates are popular, with their appealing sermons and podcasts. Many are believing their teachings and their claims.

There is a biblical meditation, and we read of it in the Bible. In fact, we are instructed to do this. (Joshua 1:8) In biblical meditation, the Word is pondered and the mind is active and thinking. This can be a wonderful experience with our God.

I will meditate on Your precepts And regard Your ways. (Psalm 119:15)

And I shall lift up my hands to Your commandments, Which I love; And I will meditate on Your statutes. (Psalm 119:48)

Some years ago, the contemplatives came up with a brilliant answer to Christians who saw the similarity between contemplative prayer and Eastern and New Age meditation. It was explained that New Age and Eastern practitioners strive to empty the mind whereas Christian contemplatives, on the other hand, seek to fill the mind with God.

This clever marketing ploy has drawn many into the deception of contemplative prayer–which as previously noted is really not prayer at all.

Finally, here Mackie puts a contemplative spin on the time Jesus took Peter, John, and James up the mountain:

These are men who have been shaped by the deep, deep daily rhythms of prayer and contemplation. And when they go up to the mountain to pray, what they’re doing is to expand their conscious awareness of the presence of [Paradise] on top of that mountain. [10] (emphasis added)

Ray Yungen notes:

This is what I am warning Christians about. Contemplative prayer is presenting a way to God identical with all the world’s mystical traditions. Christians are haplessly lulled into it by the emphasis of seeking the Kingdom of God and greater piety, yet the apostle Paul described the chuch’s end-times apostasy in the context of a mystical seduction. If this practice doesn’t fit that description, I don’t know what does. [11] (emphasis added)

Yes, there are consequences for delving into contemplative practices. The contemplative-prayer-altered-state-of consciousness can open one to demonic deception. It alters and addles one’s theology. It is long past time to take a hard look at exactly what Tim Mackie believes–and teaches–and to determine which of Mackie’s sermons and numerous Bible Project videos and podcasts are in error.

Pray for Tim Mackie.

Source Notes:

1.Kevin Reeves https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/new-booklet-tract-d-is-for-deception-the-language-of-the-new-christianity/

2. Christine A. Narloch, CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER: SEDUCING SPIRITS AND A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS

3. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 33:42

4. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 31:42

5. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 32:14

6. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 35:27

7. Tim Mackie, The Gathering ’22, Main Session 3, 41:38

8. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 44:39

9. Tim Mackie, Paradise Now, Luke 23, 36:46

10. Tim Mackie, The Gathering ’22, Main Session 3 45:05

11. Ray Yungen, A Time of Departing, p. 140

Retired Assemblies of God pastor astounded James River Church allowed Bill Johnson for “Week of Power”

[Reader, this AG pastor experienced the destruction that “Bethel’s minister” brought to his church. He fears that the denomination will, because of what is being allowed into AG churches, end up on the “trash heap”…]

He writes:

I am astounded that James River AG is doing this.  As as a Pastor of an AG church that was almost totally destroyed by Bethel’s minister,  it saddens my heart to see that the General Council hasn’t stepped in to discourage James River from doing this series of meetings. Or maybe they have and I just haven’t heard about it.  

I appreciate Holly Pivec’s warning. I fear that the AG is going to wind up on the same “trash heap” as the Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopals, Prebysterians, etc.  Our Pentecostal heritage is slowly being destroyed with our leadership promoting this nonsense.and they just aren’t listening. I, along with many other pastors, have written to Dr. Wood at the behest of my good friends Ray Yungen and Warren Smith, about Ruth Haley Barton coming to our General Council with her new age nonsense but they did it anyhow.  Only the Lord knows the destruction it caused to our heritage.  As well, I’ve written to Dr. Wood prior to his death, about the Purpose Driven church model and its destructive workings within the AG but, once again, they went ahead with that model of ministry.  And here we are again, with the likes of Bill Johnson and Bethel church and the NAR.  

I have kept my credentials current with the AG in spite of the fact that I’ve retired from full time ministry,  But I have to tell you that given this latest nonsense as revealed by Holly, I’m seriously considering not renewing them at the end of this year. I won’t support this leadership and the direction they are taking the AG. It’s so sad that the AG is walking a path that, unless changed by returning to the Holy Spirit’s leading, will result to the AG becoming another worn out denomination in spite of our Pentecostal heritage.  May the Lord give our leadership the wisdom that is sorely needed today.

Bible Project’s Tim Mackie believes Penal Substitutionary Atonement stems from pagan sacrifice rituals?

Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you. (1 Timothy 4:16)

Concerns about Bible Project and its co-founder Tim Mackie continue to grow. The recent discovery of Mackie’s advocacy of anti-biblical meditative practices has been stunning. Bible Project has produced numerous videos on biblical subjects, some of them quite good. These can be found on YouTube and the videos are used by many churches, particularly in youth ministries. Tim Mackie has many sermons on YouTube as well. It can be stated that Mackie and Bible Project have millions of followers.

As a number of these videos attest, Mackie promotes some errant, even heretical, theology. While one of his teachings makes clear his contempt for the Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA), that same “sermon” seems to reveal his view of the PSA as a belief based on ancient pagan sacrifices to the gods. Watch the following video from 34:42 to 38:08. Mackie has been explaining the Old Testament sacrificial system.

Transcribed portions from the above video:

  • 36:10 [These] gods hate you and they’re going to kill you or send plague on your flocks or something like that, and so what you need to do is kill this animal so that it can die instead of the gods killing you.
  • 36:30 And once the god has their pound of flesh then they’ll leave you alone and be happy with you. And what we do is read that story onto the story of what’s happening here, and then we bring Jesus into it and what we end up with is a story that says, God’s perfect he’s holy and he’s perfect, you’re not so God has to kill you, he has to kill you. He needs His pound of flesh to, in the name of His justice, and so he’s gonna kill you because he’s angry at you.
  • 37:05 But instead he’s gonna kill Jesus and he takes out his anger on Jesus and then he allows you after you die to go to the good place and not the bad place, you can sing forever the praises of the God who didn’t kill you. How you guys doing? Now some of you, I’m creating a caricature, but for some of us, you might think like, yeah, isn’t that the story of Christianity, isn’t that what Christians believe?

Mackie then says:

37:56 If you read the character of God in the Old Testament you’d be able

to spot what I just said to you as a total distortion and perversion of God’s

character and of the good news and of the meaning of atonement.

Such a twisted understanding of the Scriptures. What Mackie is doing here is presenting a “social” atonement, not Penal Atonement. This can be further seen by what he says next in the video where he describes“atonement” as being more related to how we as people hurt the world when we aren’t nice to each other. Whether he realizes it or not, he is rejecting biblical atonement.

What Mackie doesn’t say about the atonement is as bad as what he does say. He does not acknowledge in this sermon (that he said was a sermon on the definition of atonement) that Jesus is God in the flesh and was a perfect sinless sacrificial lamb whose blood was shed for the atoning of sin.

And for a sermon on atonement, he neglects to include the Scripture that says: “without shedding of blood is no remission” (Hebrews 9:22).

Rather than saying any of these things, instead, he says, Jesus is “going to be the human that you and I areall created and called to be but perpetually failed to be” (44:36)

Mackie’s position on the Penal Substitutionary Atonement is right in line with author/theologian N.T. Wright. Three of Wright’s books are on Tim Mackie’s Recommended List,[1] and Wright has been interviewed by Mackie several times. In his review of Wright’s book, The Day The Revolution Began, T.C. Moore notes:

Wright bluntly critiques popular notions of the meaning of Jesus’s Cross as “pagan”—particular portrayals that center around the idea of an angry God demanding the blood sacrifice of an innocent human victim. [2]

Sound familiar?

In his denial of the PSA, Tim Mackie is following in the footsteps of N.T. Wright, The Shack author William Paul Young, and many others.

As a Bible believer recently noted online:

PSA is the one “theory of the atonement” that makes the others make sense. It is the key to all the others, which don’t work unless Jesus substituted for us in taking the Father’s wrath against sin on himself, and gave us his righteousness in place of our unrighteousness.

Because the Lord loves us, Christ willingly took our place of punishment by dying on the cross. He received the wrath that we deserve.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

So what was Mackie’s audience thinking as he linked Penal Substitutionary Atonement to “pagan notions of like Zeus or Apollo[s]* or Dionysus”? Were there any questions or objections?

Here is another question: Is it perhaps time to ask Christians, particularly pastors and youth pastors, to examine some of Mackie’s troubling teachings?


Source Notes:

1. Tim Mackie book recommendations: bibleproject.com/tim-mackie.

2. T.C. Moore, On N.T. Wright, The Cross, and Systemic Racism.

*Sounds like an “s” at the end of the pagan deity Apollo.